This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested change to
us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to be applied
to the civilian fleet. Guess the Safety Gurus didn't want to leave it at
that.
============================================
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:07:01 -0800
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Chuck,
What is the latest status on the bolt kits for complying with AD2007-23-15?
Rob
Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM> wrote:
XOG-ers:
Rest assured kits will be available.
This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested change to
us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to be applied
to the civilian fleet. Guess the Safety Gurus didn't want to leave it at
that.
It will take a little time to get the kits assembled, but we will be back
with pricing and delivery ASAP.
Chuck Cheeseman
Ximango USA
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:32:07 -0500
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Xoggers:
As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
approaches.
I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
I told Greg the following:
1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective.
I argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
wrote that:
"This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
change to
us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
be applied
to the civilian fleet."
I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
not made kits available.
Greg told me the following:
1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
Compliance comments will be accepted.
Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
initial inception.
3. Ximango says part kits are available.
A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
there were part kits ready.
4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
MY COMMENT:
I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
(like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic self-
locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
WHAT YOU CAN DO.
1. Propose Alternatives Now
Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
wants, this is exactly what we must do.
But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
warmly, Bruce
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:41:45 -0800
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Bruce,
Thanks very much for contacting Greg Davison and discussing our plight (or should I say "fight"!!). After consulting the Aeromot SB and researching metric fasteners from the literature in my shop, I discovered 2 types of all metal "prevailing torque nuts" that should do the job of not coming undone during rotational loads. Unlike elastic stop nuts which can come undone, these nuts are all metal and have a slight elliptical deformity in the outer threads which locks them to the bolt when they are torqued down. They both are DIN 980V/ISO 7042. One is an all metal hexagonal prevailing torque type nut, part no. 12910 from Metric Fasteners Corp. (Fabory). The other nut is the Clevloc all metal hexagonal prevailing torque nut, part no. 12850 from Metric Fasteners. They run about 5 - 10 cents each, depending on diameter.
I will also contact Greg Davison and suggest the use of these nuts in place of catellated (castle) nuts and cotter pins. But, this might be a long shot because AC 43.13-1A, Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices for Aircraft Repair, paragraph 230, p.119 on "Nuts" states, "Do not use self-locking nuts at joints which subject either the nut or bolt to rotation."
Best regards,
Holliday Obrecht
--- bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM wrote:
From: Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:32:07 -0500
Xoggers:
As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
approaches.
I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
I told Greg the following:
1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective.
I argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
wrote that:
"This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
change to
us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
be applied
to the civilian fleet."
I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
not made kits available.
Greg told me the following:
1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
Compliance comments will be accepted.
Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
initial inception.
3. Ximango says part kits are available.
A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
there were part kits ready.
4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
MY COMMENT:
I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
(like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic self-
locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
WHAT YOU CAN DO.
1. Propose Alternatives Now
Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
wants, this is exactly what we must do.
But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
warmly, Bruce
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:46:08 -0600
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Dear All:
Another solution might be to simply bore a transverse hole for a cotter pin
in all designated bolts and use a new castled nut with a cotter pin in the
old but newly drilled bolt as required. There is a special drill jig for
this application available from Spruce (I think). I checked with my local
A&P but he says that the AD must specifically allow this and this approach
cannot be substituted at the initiative of the A&P.
Best
Ted
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Holliday Obrecht" <HollidayObrecht@COPPER.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:41 PM
To: <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
> Bruce,
>
> Thanks very much for contacting Greg Davison and discussing our plight (or
> should I say "fight"!!). After consulting the Aeromot SB and researching
> metric fasteners from the literature in my shop, I discovered 2 types of
> all metal "prevailing torque nuts" that should do the job of not coming
> undone during rotational loads. Unlike elastic stop nuts which can come
> undone, these nuts are all metal and have a slight elliptical deformity in
> the outer threads which locks them to the bolt when they are torqued down.
> They both are DIN 980V/ISO 7042. One is an all metal hexagonal prevailing
> torque type nut, part no. 12910 from Metric Fasteners Corp. (Fabory). The
> other nut is the Clevloc all metal hexagonal prevailing torque nut, part
> no. 12850 from Metric Fasteners. They run about 5 - 10 cents each,
> depending on diameter.
>
> I will also contact Greg Davison and suggest the use of these nuts in
> place of catellated (castle) nuts and cotter pins. But, this might be a
> long shot because AC 43.13-1A, Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and
> Practices for Aircraft Repair, paragraph 230, p.119 on "Nuts" states, "Do
> not use self-locking nuts at joints which subject either the nut or bolt
> to rotation."
>
> Best regards,
> Holliday Obrecht
>
>
> --- bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM wrote:
>
> From: Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
> To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:32:07 -0500
>
> Xoggers:
>
> As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
> approaches.
>
> I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
> Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
> the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
>
> I told Greg the following:
>
> 1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective.
> I argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
> spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
> that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
> member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
> As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
> wrote that:
> "This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
> change to
> us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
> be applied
> to the civilian fleet."
> I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
>
> 2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
> not made kits available.
>
> Greg told me the following:
>
> 1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
> Compliance comments will be accepted.
> Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
> comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
> case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
> consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
> receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
>
> 2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
> Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
> aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
> authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
> Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
> initial inception.
>
> 3. Ximango says part kits are available.
> A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
> there were part kits ready.
>
> 4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
> will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
>
> MY COMMENT:
>
> I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
> replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
> (like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
> ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
> checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
> existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic self-
> locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
>
> WHAT YOU CAN DO.
>
> 1. Propose Alternatives Now
> Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
> Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
> fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
> compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
> wants, this is exactly what we must do.
>
> But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
> there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
>
> ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
> less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
>
> A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
>
> warmly, Bruce
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:52:09 -0500
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From: Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
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Ted, Folks -
If you can think of ways to make it easier to comply, now is the time
to suggest it to Ximango and Greg Davison.
Regarding the price of the parts kit: I contacted Aeromot directly,
and was quoted a price of $380, plus $75 for shipping for the 26
items listed in their service bulletin, 200-20-102.
I asked if that these 26 items includes hardware that was already
been installed on the main landing gear upgrade (SB 200-32-100),
and am waiting for an answer.
Does anyone know?
yrs, Bruce
On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Ted Gordon wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> Another solution might be to simply bore a transverse hole for a
> cotter pin in all designated bolts and use a new castled nut with a
> cotter pin in the old but newly drilled bolt as required. There is
> a special drill jig for this application available from Spruce (I
> think). I checked with my local A&P but he says that the AD must
> specifically allow this and this approach cannot be substituted at
> the initiative of the A&P.
>
> Best
> Ted
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Holliday Obrecht" <HollidayObrecht@COPPER.NET>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:41 PM
> To: <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
> Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> Thanks very much for contacting Greg Davison and discussing our
>> plight (or should I say "fight"!!). After consulting the Aeromot
>> SB and researching metric fasteners from the literature in my
>> shop, I discovered 2 types of all metal "prevailing torque nuts"
>> that should do the job of not coming undone during rotational
>> loads. Unlike elastic stop nuts which can come undone, these nuts
>> are all metal and have a slight elliptical deformity in the outer
>> threads which locks them to the bolt when they are torqued down.
>> They both are DIN 980V/ISO 7042. One is an all metal hexagonal
>> prevailing torque type nut, part no. 12910 from Metric Fasteners
>> Corp. (Fabory). The other nut is the Clevloc all metal hexagonal
>> prevailing torque nut, part no. 12850 from Metric Fasteners. They
>> run about 5 - 10 cents each, depending on diameter.
>>
>> I will also contact Greg Davison and suggest the use of these nuts
>> in place of catellated (castle) nuts and cotter pins. But, this
>> might be a long shot because AC 43.13-1A, Acceptable Methods,
>> Techniques, and Practices for Aircraft Repair, paragraph 230, p.
>> 119 on "Nuts" states, "Do not use self-locking nuts at joints
>> which subject either the nut or bolt to rotation."
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Holliday Obrecht
>>
>>
>> --- bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM wrote:
>>
>> From: Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
>> To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>> Subject: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
>> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:32:07 -0500
>>
>> Xoggers:
>>
>> As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
>> approaches.
>>
>> I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
>> Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
>> the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
>>
>> I told Greg the following:
>>
>> 1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective.
>> I argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
>> spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
>> that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
>> member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
>> As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
>> wrote that:
>> "This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
>> change to
>> us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
>> be applied
>> to the civilian fleet."
>> I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
>>
>> 2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
>> not made kits available.
>>
>> Greg told me the following:
>>
>> 1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
>> Compliance comments will be accepted.
>> Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
>> comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
>> case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
>> consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
>> receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
>>
>> 2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
>> Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
>> aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
>> authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
>> Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
>> initial inception.
>>
>> 3. Ximango says part kits are available.
>> A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
>> there were part kits ready.
>>
>> 4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
>> will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
>>
>> MY COMMENT:
>>
>> I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
>> replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
>> (like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
>> ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
>> checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
>> existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic
>> self-
>> locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
>>
>> WHAT YOU CAN DO.
>>
>> 1. Propose Alternatives Now
>> Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
>> Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
>> fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
>> compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
>> wants, this is exactly what we must do.
>>
>> But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
>> there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
>>
>> ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
>> less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
>>
>> A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
>>
>> warmly, Bruce
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:37:07 -0800
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Ted,
I had contacted Eng. Luiz Castilho at Aeromot about drilling our existing bolts and putting on our own castle nuts and cotter pins. I could easily set up the drill press and tooling to do this and it would certainly be an economical alternative. He advised against it stating the bolts are hardened steel and would be too difficult to drill. Also, he said some bolts are different lengths in the AD.
Oh well, I was with you on this!
Hope you and Annie have a great Holiday Season.
All the best,
Holliday
--- tedjgordon@ATT.NET wrote:
From: Ted Gordon <tedjgordon@ATT.NET>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:46:08 -0600
Dear All:
Another solution might be to simply bore a transverse hole for a cotter pin
in all designated bolts and use a new castled nut with a cotter pin in the
old but newly drilled bolt as required. There is a special drill jig for
this application available from Spruce (I think). I checked with my local
A&P but he says that the AD must specifically allow this and this approach
cannot be substituted at the initiative of the A&P.
Best
Ted
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Holliday Obrecht" <HollidayObrecht@COPPER.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:41 PM
To: <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
> Bruce,
>
> Thanks very much for contacting Greg Davison and discussing our plight (or
> should I say "fight"!!). After consulting the Aeromot SB and researching
> metric fasteners from the literature in my shop, I discovered 2 types of
> all metal "prevailing torque nuts" that should do the job of not coming
> undone during rotational loads. Unlike elastic stop nuts which can come
> undone, these nuts are all metal and have a slight elliptical deformity in
> the outer threads which locks them to the bolt when they are torqued down.
> They both are DIN 980V/ISO 7042. One is an all metal hexagonal prevailing
> torque type nut, part no. 12910 from Metric Fasteners Corp. (Fabory). The
> other nut is the Clevloc all metal hexagonal prevailing torque nut, part
> no. 12850 from Metric Fasteners. They run about 5 - 10 cents each,
> depending on diameter.
>
> I will also contact Greg Davison and suggest the use of these nuts in
> place of catellated (castle) nuts and cotter pins. But, this might be a
> long shot because AC 43.13-1A, Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and
> Practices for Aircraft Repair, paragraph 230, p.119 on "Nuts" states, "Do
> not use self-locking nuts at joints which subject either the nut or bolt
> to rotation."
>
> Best regards,
> Holliday Obrecht
>
>
> --- bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM wrote:
>
> From: Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
> To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:32:07 -0500
>
> Xoggers:
>
> As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
> approaches.
>
> I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
> Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
> the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
>
> I told Greg the following:
>
> 1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective.
> I argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
> spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
> that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
> member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
> As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
> wrote that:
> "This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
> change to
> us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
> be applied
> to the civilian fleet."
> I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
>
> 2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
> not made kits available.
>
> Greg told me the following:
>
> 1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
> Compliance comments will be accepted.
> Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
> comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
> case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
> consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
> receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
>
> 2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
> Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
> aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
> authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
> Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
> initial inception.
>
> 3. Ximango says part kits are available.
> A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
> there were part kits ready.
>
> 4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
> will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
>
> MY COMMENT:
>
> I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
> replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
> (like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
> ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
> checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
> existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic self-
> locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
>
> WHAT YOU CAN DO.
>
> 1. Propose Alternatives Now
> Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
> Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
> fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
> compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
> wants, this is exactly what we must do.
>
> But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
> there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
>
> ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
> less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
>
> A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
>
> warmly, Bruce
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:33:18 +1100
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From: Sandra <shemango@BIGPOND.COM>
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Good Letter
-----Original Message-----
From: Ximango Owners Group (XOG) [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
Behalf Of Bruce Schimmel
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2007 3:32 AM
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
Xoggers:
As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
approaches.
I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
I told Greg the following:
1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective. I
argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
wrote that:
"This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
change to
us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
be applied
to the civilian fleet."
I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
not made kits available.
Greg told me the following:
1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
Compliance comments will be accepted.
Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
initial inception.
3. Ximango says part kits are available.
A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
there were part kits ready.
4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
MY COMMENT:
I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
(like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic self-
locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
WHAT YOU CAN DO.
1. Propose Alternatives Now
Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
wants, this is exactly what we must do.
But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
warmly, Bruce
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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:33:34 +1100
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From: Sandra <shemango@BIGPOND.COM>
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Good Letter Br
-----Original Message-----
From: Ximango Owners Group (XOG) [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
Behalf Of Bruce Schimmel
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2007 3:32 AM
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
Xoggers:
As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
approaches.
I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
I told Greg the following:
1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective. I
argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
wrote that:
"This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
change to
us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
be applied
to the civilian fleet."
I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
not made kits available.
Greg told me the following:
1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
Compliance comments will be accepted.
Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
initial inception.
3. Ximango says part kits are available.
A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
there were part kits ready.
4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
MY COMMENT:
I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
(like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic self-
locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
WHAT YOU CAN DO.
1. Propose Alternatives Now
Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
wants, this is exactly what we must do.
But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
warmly, Bruce
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:43:41 +1100
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Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Sandra <shemango@BIGPOND.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
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Good Letter Bruce! Thanks fellas for your work in persuing this matter!
On a sad note, there was a fatality in the Gliding Grandprix in NZ on
Friday- a German Pilot. They don't know what happened. See
w.gpgliding.com & you can watch the races.
On a much, much happier note:
Merry Christmas from Down Under, & Happy Landings for the New Year.
Sandra Shemango.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ximango Owners Group (XOG) [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
Behalf Of Bruce Schimmel
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2007 3:32 AM
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 What happened. How you can save time and $.
Xoggers:
As you know the time for compliance with the "surprise" AD 2007-23-15
approaches.
I had a pleasant and productive conversation with Greg Davison,
Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130 fax 816 329 4090, who OK'd
the AD for the FAA, and oversees compliance.
I told Greg the following:
1. The comment period was meaningless, or completely ineffective. I
argued therefore that AD is in violation of the both the letter and
spirit of the procedural mandate that the general public be informed
that an AD is imminent, and given a chance to comment. Not a single
member of XOG has said they were aware of the AD.
As further evidence I cited Chuck Cheeseman, Ximango's importer, who
wrote that:
"This AD caught me by surprise - it originated as a USAF-requested
change to
us, which we set up for their 14 aircraft. It was not intended to
be applied
to the civilian fleet."
I therefore asked Greg to reopen the comment period.
2. I told Greg that compliance will be difficult, since Ximango has
not made kits available.
Greg told me the following:
1. Yes, there was a failure to inform. But only Alternative
Compliance comments will be accepted.
Greg told me that the FAA depends on reaching aircraft owners for
comment through manufacturers, distributors and user groups. In this
case, Greg said, there was a failure to do so. Still, he did not
consider reopening the comment period. But he is interested in
receiving informed comment about alternative compliance.
2. AD originated with Ximango through DAC.
Greg informed me that this FAA AD essentially copied a Brazilian
aviation authority (DAC) AD 2005-12-01, and that the Brazilian
authority issued their AD directly from Aeromot's SB 200-20-102.
Bottom line: Greg says that Ximango is responsible for the AD's
initial inception.
3. Ximango says part kits are available.
A Caroline Pachecko (sp?) from Ximango previously told Greg that
there were part kits ready.
4. Greg said he will be calling Chuck for clarification, and then
will call Ximango directly to confirm if part kits are available.
MY COMMENT:
I am not an engineer. However, some of the items that need to be
replaced are not subject to rotational loads during flight or taxi
(like the wing hinges?). Paint could be applied to those nust to
ascertain that their bolts haven't moved, and that these can be
checked periodically. Or, an additional nut could be added to the
existing nut to back it up. Or replace elastics with non-elastic self-
locking. Just some ideas. But you may know better.
WHAT YOU CAN DO.
1. Propose Alternatives Now
Contact Greg and Ximango now with alternatives. Per the Airworthiness
Directive, Greg Davison, Glider Program Manager, FAA, 816 329 4130
fax 816 329 4090 is tasked with taking comments as to alternative
compliance. His bottom line: if this is exactly what the factory
wants, this is exactly what we must do.
But I also take that to mean that if the factory is flexible, then
there could be flexibility. So we need some dialog with the factory.
ACT NOW: Suggest to Greg and (especially) Ximango to come up with
less difficult ways to comply. We have a window that's closing fast.
A joyous holiday season to all, and a happy new year!
warmly, Bruce
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:46:10 EST
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From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
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Sandra,
The fatality in the NZ races was all over the aviation news here in the USA
also - but, as with your message, no details about how or why. It is sad -
he was a great pilot, from all accounts here and in Europe.
Chuck
Ximango USA
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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:24:14 EST
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Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15
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Everyone,
We want you to know that Ximango USA has been working this AD since we heard
of it. It came as a surprise to us, since the intention back in 2004 was to
furnish the USAF with a means to standardize their aircraft fasteners to
their written practices, not to change the civilian standards of JAR 22 as
applied to the Ximango. In fifteen years, and hundreds of thousands of flight
hours, Aeromot states that there has never been an unintended loosening report
for the fasteners affected.
However, Brazil has issued an AD and the FAA, by law, must follow suit. So,
here we are.
So far, we conclude there is no apparent way by alternate means to shortcut
the AD requirements to change the bolts and nuts. This is a futile effort,
we are convinced, after talking to the FAA at length. Specifically, you all
should be aware that drilling the existing bolts and changing the nuts is
NOT an option, because the required bolt length increases when the bolt is
drilled and equipped with a castellated nut and cotter pin. The bottom line is
you need to install the bolt kit called out in the Service Bulletin.
Our major effort at Ximango USA so far has been to arrange for bolt kits
from the factory at the most reasonable cost to owners and, in instances where
needed, to get them quickly. What we have arranged is that you all can buy
the factory bolt kit at cost - we and Aeromot have agreed not to make any
profit from this effort.
To manufacture the kit requires Aeromot to order the DIN bolts from Europe
of the proper length, drilling them in their shop, and combine them with the
proper nuts and cotter pins for shipment to us. We will parcel out the
shipment to individuals, by USPS mailer or FedEx as necessary. You all will be
billed only the cost of this effort, with no markup.
The cost of this kit is $380 plus shipping, which we estimate at $50 each
for the first 10 kits and $30 each for the remainder, to be shipped next
spring. Please let me know your needs. I know this is not a happy moment - but
we're trying to do our best!
Chuck
Ximango USA
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Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:07:46 +0000
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Ted Gordon <tedjgordon@ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15
Dear Chuck:
Thanks for your efforts.
Please put me down for a kit. My next annual is in February, and I'd certainly like to have the new bolts installed then. As I mentioned in an earlier email I will be in Sarasota, Florida for the month of January and the first week of February, and I can drive over and pick up the kit if possible.
Best
Ted Gordon
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
>
> Everyone,
>
> We want you to know that Ximango USA has been working this AD since we heard
> of it. It came as a surprise to us, since the intention back in 2004 was to
> furnish the USAF with a means to standardize their aircraft fasteners to
> their written practices, not to change the civilian standards of JAR 22 as
> applied to the Ximango. In fifteen years, and hundreds of thousands of flight
> hours, Aeromot states that there has never been an unintended loosening report
> for the fasteners affected.
>
> However, Brazil has issued an AD and the FAA, by law, must follow suit. So,
> here we are.
>
> So far, we conclude there is no apparent way by alternate means to shortcut
> the AD requirements to change the bolts and nuts. This is a futile effort,
> we are convinced, after talking to the FAA at length. Specifically, you all
> should be aware that drilling the existing bolts and changing the nuts is
> NOT an option, because the required bolt length increases when the bolt is
> drilled and equipped with a castellated nut and cotter pin. The bottom line is
> you need to install the bolt kit called out in the Service Bulletin.
>
> Our major effort at Ximango USA so far has been to arrange for bolt kits
> from the factory at the most reasonable cost to owners and, in instances where
> needed, to get them quickly. What we have arranged is that you all can buy
> the factory bolt kit at cost - we and Aeromot have agreed not to make any
> profit from this effort.
>
> To manufacture the kit requires Aeromot to order the DIN bolts from Europe
> of the proper length, drilling them in their shop, and combine them with the
> proper nuts and cotter pins for shipment to us. We will parcel out the
> shipment to individuals, by USPS mailer or FedEx as necessary. You all will be
> billed only the cost of this effort, with no markup.
>
> The cost of this kit is $380 plus shipping, which we estimate at $50 each
> for the first 10 kits and $30 each for the remainder, to be shipped next
> spring. Please let me know your needs. I know this is not a happy moment -
> but
> we're trying to do our best!
>
> Chuck
> Ximango USA
>
>
>
>
> **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes
> (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
>
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:58:17 EST
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Comments: cc: maryazimmerman@cox.net, ls-484@SBCGLOBAL.NET, bonak@pacbell.net,
MTNVIEW@AMIGO.NET, chris@pacificaerosport.com, MSPUD223766@aol.com,
hpeier@cfl.rr.com, KEITHPHI@aol.com
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Owners and Mechanics,
We, as of this morning, have received the first 15 complete kits for Aeromot
Service Bulletin 200-20-102 needed to satisfy the FAA AD 2007-23-15. We
expect the next 10 in one week.
We will begin shipping this afternoon, via FedEx to those of you that are in
urgent need, and to everyone else as you require. Invoices will follow via
e-mail, with payment to be by check.
At this point, I have orders from 20 owners or mechanics, with the following
distribution:
URGENT:
SN 151 (Mary Ann)
SN 135 (John Lawton)
SN 123 (Rob Morgan)
SN 51 (71??) (Placerville Aviation)
SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation)
SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive)
SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation)
SN 156 (Ralph Ragland)
SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle)
SN 151 (Ted Hauser)
LATER IS OK:
SN ?? (Chris at Pacific Aerosport)
SN 124 (John Barker)
SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
SN 161 (Jim McCAnn)
SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
SN 72 (Roland Martin)
SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
Please e-mail me ASAP with any updates needed, including urgency and
shipping addresses.
Regards,
Chuck
Ximango USA
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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:20:40 EST
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE #2 (6 Feb)
Comments: cc: maryazimmerman@cox.net, ls-484@SBCGLOBAL.NET, bonak@pacbell.net,
MTNVIEW@AMIGO.NET, chris@pacificaerosport.com, MSPUD223766@aol.com,
hpeier@cfl.rr.com, KEITHPHI@aol.com
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Owners and Mechanics:
Today we packaged and shipped nine kits via FedEx, either next-day or second
day, as you asked. Other documented urgent requirements will ship tomorrow.
To follow is an updated and annotated list and status report: note that
corrections to my previous e-mail are in boldface:
URGENT:
SN 151 (Mary Ann) Sent Feb 6 via
FedEx
SN 135 (John Lawton) Sent Feb 6 via FedEx
SN 123 (Rob Morgan) Sent Feb 6 via FedEx
SN 51 (Placerville Aviation) Sent Feb 6 via
FedEx
SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation) Sent Feb 6 via FedEx
SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive) Sent Feb 6 via FedEx
SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation) Sent Feb 6 via FedEx
SN 156 (Ralph Ragland) Sent Feb 6 via FedEx
SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle) Will ship tomorrow
SN 151 (Ted Hauser) Sent Feb 6 via FedEx
SN 63 (Ted Gordon/Landmar Aviation) Will ship tomorrow via UPS
Ground, per request
LATER IS OK:
SN 72 and 124 (Chris at Pacific Aerosport, for the Angell-flown Ximango and
John Barker, respectively)
SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
SN 161 (Jim McCann)
SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
SN 97 (Roland Martin)
SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
As you can understand, this is a fairly major record-keeping and shipping
challenge to get all of you what you need and by when. Please send any
questions or inputs to me via e-mail, if possible, so that I can keep to a minimum
the slips of paper and notes on my kitchen napkins! Sometimes I wipe my chin
when eating home-smoked ribs and.... I have built a spreadsheet in Excel to
tally ALL inputs and the status. As soon as Bruce Schimmel figures out how
best to send it to all XOG-ers, I can send out major status reports as an
Excel attachment. Bruce: maybe the simplest thing is to send me the XOG e-mail
address list??
BTW, if ANYONE knows of a Ximango owner that is not on XOG, please let them
know how to get on the list: contact _bruce@schimmel.com_
(mailto:bruce@schimmel.com) ! You FBO's and mechanics who are maintaining Ximangos should sign,
up too.
Regards,
Chuck
Ximango USA
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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:29:37 -0500
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Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
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Chuck,
You were developing a "dolly" to pull and push the Ximango in and out of a hanger.
I am interested in purchasing a device which will ease my aging back.
Bing Manawadu
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58 am
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Owners and Mechanics,
We, as of this morning, have received the first 15 complete kits for Aeromot
Service Bulletin 200-20-102 needed to satisfy the FAA AD 2007-23-15. We
expect the next 10 in one week.
We will begin shipping this afternoon, via FedEx to those of you that are in
urgent need, and to everyone else as you require. Invoices will follow via
e-mail, with payment to be by check.
At this point, I have orders from 20 owners or mechanics, with the following
distribution:
URGENT:
SN 151 (Mary Ann)
SN 135 (John Lawton)
SN 123 (Rob Morgan)
SN 51 (71??) (Placerville Aviation)
SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation)
SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive)
SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation)
SN 156 (Ralph Ragland)
SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle)
SN 151 (Ted Hauser)
LATER IS OK:
SN ?? (Chris at Pacific Aerosport)
SN 124 (John Barker)
SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
SN 161 (Jim McCAnn)
SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
SN 72 (Roland Martin)
SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
Please e-mail me ASAP with any updates needed, including urgency and
shipping addresses.
Regards,
Chuck
Ximango USA
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:06:40 +0000
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Ted Gordon <tedjgordon@ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Dear Bing:
I don;t know if you're interested but my aching back has led me to develop a mobile "A" frame that I use to help fold and unfold the wings. If you'd like I'll photograph it for you.
Best
Ted
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
>
> Chuck,
>
> You were developing a "dolly" to pull and push the Ximango in and out of a
> hanger.
>
> I am interested in purchasing a device which will ease my aging back.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bing Manawadu
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
> To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58 am
> Subject: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Owners and Mechanics,
>
> We, as of this morning, have received the first 15 complete kits for Aeromot
> Service Bulletin 200-20-102 needed to satisfy the FAA AD 2007-23-15. We
> expect the next 10 in one week.
>
> We will begin shipping this afternoon, via FedEx to those of you that are in
> urgent need, and to everyone else as you require. Invoices will follow via
> e-mail, with payment to be by check.
>
> At this point, I have orders from 20 owners or mechanics, with the following
> distribution:
>
> URGENT:
>
> SN 151 (Mary Ann)
> SN 135 (John Lawton)
> SN 123 (Rob Morgan)
> SN 51 (71??) (Placerville Aviation)
> SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation)
> SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive)
> SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation)
> SN 156 (Ralph Ragland)
> SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle)
> SN 151 (Ted Hauser)
>
> LATER IS OK:
>
> SN ?? (Chris at Pacific Aerosport)
> SN 124 (John Barker)
> SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
> SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
> SN 161 (Jim McCAnn)
> SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
> SN 72 (Roland Martin)
> SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
> SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
> SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
>
> Please e-mail me ASAP with any updates needed, including urgency and
> shipping addresses.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
> Ximango USA
>
>
>
> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.
> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002
> 5
> 48)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:31:26 -0500
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
In-Reply-To: <021120080006.16526.47AF91900007034F0000408E22230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF02010B9D0109060B0A9B@att.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Ted,
Thank for the prompt reply.
I built a hanger with a 66 foot electrically operated door which solved my problem of folding the wings.
Out of curiosity I am most interesting to see how you solved the problem in a far more cost effective manner.
Bing Manawadu
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Gordon <tedjgordon@ATT.NET>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Dear Bing:
I don;t know if you're interested but my aching back has led me to develop a
mobile "A" frame that I use to help fold and unfold the wings. If you'd like
I'll photograph it for you.
Best
Ted
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
>
> Chuck,
>
> You were developing a "dolly" to pull and push the Ximango in and out of a
> hanger.
>
> I am interested in purchasing a device which will ease my aging back.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bing Manawadu
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
> To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58 am
> Subject: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Owners and Mechanics,
>
> We, as of this morning, have received the first 15 complete kits for Aeromot
> Service Bulletin 200-20-102 needed to satisfy the FAA AD 2007-23-15. We
> expect the next 10 in one week.
>
> We will begin shipping this afternoon, via FedEx to those of you that are in
> urgent need, and to everyone else as you require. Invoices will follow via
> e-mail, with payment to be by check.
>
> At this point, I have orders from 20 owners or mechanics, with the following
> distribution:
>
> URGENT:
>
> SN 151 (Mary Ann)
> SN 135 (John Lawton)
> SN 123 (Rob Morgan)
> SN 51 (71??) (Placerville Aviation)
> SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation)
> SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive)
> SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation)
> SN 156 (Ralph Ragland)
> SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle)
> SN 151 (Ted Hauser)
>
> LATER IS OK:
>
> SN ?? (Chris at Pacific Aerosport)
> SN 124 (John Barker)
> SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
> SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
> SN 161 (Jim McCAnn)
> SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
> SN 72 (Roland Martin)
> SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
> SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
> SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
>
> Please e-mail me ASAP with any updates needed, including urgency and
> shipping addresses.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
> Ximango USA
>
>
>
> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.
> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002
> 5
> 48)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> http://webmail.aol.com
>
________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:35:08 EST
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dr. Bing,
With that big door, you can put your Citation Excel in there, along with
your Ximango. Mine is only 48 feet - but it will accomodate a little Lear or a
little Citation.
Chuck
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48)
=========================================================================
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:30:15 -0800
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Holliday Obrecht <HollidayObrecht@COPPER.NET>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Bing,
I pull mine into the hangar with a PowerTow tug fitted with long extensions that grab onto the tail wheel scissor bolt. It's an easy one-man operation. I also designed and built a simple wooden lever that rolls under and fits under the fuselage about 1' in front of the tail wheel that I can easily (one-handed) lift the whole tail section into the air about 6" off the ground. Handy for tailwheel maintenance and to turn the tail wheel assembly around with to easily hook up to the tug.
Best regards,
Holliday
SN 130
--- bmanawadu@AOL.COM wrote:
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:29:37 -0500
Chuck,
You were developing a "dolly" to pull and push the Ximango in and out of a hanger.
I am interested in purchasing a device which will ease my aging back.
Bing Manawadu
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58 am
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Owners and Mechanics,
We, as of this morning, have received the first 15 complete kits for Aeromot
Service Bulletin 200-20-102 needed to satisfy the FAA AD 2007-23-15. We
expect the next 10 in one week.
We will begin shipping this afternoon, via FedEx to those of you that are in
urgent need, and to everyone else as you require. Invoices will follow via
e-mail, with payment to be by check.
At this point, I have orders from 20 owners or mechanics, with the following
distribution:
URGENT:
SN 151 (Mary Ann)
SN 135 (John Lawton)
SN 123 (Rob Morgan)
SN 51 (71??) (Placerville Aviation)
SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation)
SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive)
SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation)
SN 156 (Ralph Ragland)
SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle)
SN 151 (Ted Hauser)
LATER IS OK:
SN ?? (Chris at Pacific Aerosport)
SN 124 (John Barker)
SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
SN 161 (Jim McCAnn)
SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
SN 72 (Roland Martin)
SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
Please e-mail me ASAP with any updates needed, including urgency and
shipping addresses.
Regards,
Chuck
Ximango USA
**************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.
(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025
48)
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:49:53 -0500
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
In-Reply-To: <20080211183015.EC654AE3@resin11.mta.everyone.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Bing Manawadu
-----Original Message-----
From: Holliday Obrecht <HollidayObrecht@COPPER.NET>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Bing,
I pull mine into the hangar with a PowerTow tug fitted with long extensions that
grab onto the tail wheel scissor bolt. It's an easy one-man operation. I also
designed and built a simple wooden lever that rolls under and fits under the
fuselage about 1' in front of the tail wheel that I can easily (one-handed) lift
the whole tail section into the air about 6" off the ground. Handy for
tailwheel maintenance and to turn the tail wheel assembly around with to easily
hook up to the tug.
Best regards,
Holliday
SN 130
--- bmanawadu@AOL.COM wrote:
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:29:37 -0500
Chuck,
You were developing a "dolly" to pull and push the Ximango in and out of a
hanger.
I am interested in purchasing a device which will ease my aging back.
Bing Manawadu
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58 am
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Owners and Mechanics,
We, as of this morning, have received the first 15 complete kits for Aeromot
Service Bulletin 200-20-102 needed to satisfy the FAA AD 2007-23-15. We
expect the next 10 in one week.
We will begin shipping this afternoon, via FedEx to those of you that are in
urgent need, and to everyone else as you require. Invoices will follow via
e-mail, with payment to be by check.
At this point, I have orders from 20 owners or mechanics, with the following
distribution:
URGENT:
SN 151 (Mary Ann)
SN 135 (John Lawton)
SN 123 (Rob Morgan)
SN 51 (71??) (Placerville Aviation)
SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation)
SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive)
SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation)
SN 156 (Ralph Ragland)
SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle)
SN 151 (Ted Hauser)
LATER IS OK:
SN ?? (Chris at Pacific Aerosport)
SN 124 (John Barker)
SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
SN 161 (Jim McCAnn)
SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
SN 72 (Roland Martin)
SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
Please e-mail me ASAP with any updates needed, including urgency and
shipping addresses.
Regards,
Chuck
Ximango USA
**************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.
(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025
48)
________________________________________________________________________
More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
http://webmail.aol.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:51:36 -0500
Reply-To: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Sender: "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
In-Reply-To: <20080211183015.EC654AE3@resin11.mta.everyone.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Holliday,
Thanks for the information.
with best regards
Bing Manawadu
-----Original Message-----
From: Holliday Obrecht <HollidayObrecht@COPPER.NET>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Bing,
I pull mine into the hangar with a PowerTow tug fitted with long extensions that
grab onto the tail wheel scissor bolt. It's an easy one-man operation. I also
designed and built a simple wooden lever that rolls under and fits under the
fuselage about 1' in front of the tail wheel that I can easily (one-handed) lift
the whole tail section into the air about 6" off the ground. Handy for
tailwheel maintenance and to turn the tail wheel assembly around with to easily
hook up to the tug.
Best regards,
Holliday
SN 130
--- bmanawadu@AOL.COM wrote:
From: Bing Manawadu <bmanawadu@AOL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:29:37 -0500
Chuck,
You were developing a "dolly" to pull and push the Ximango in and out of a
hanger.
I am interested in purchasing a device which will ease my aging back.
Bing Manawadu
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Cheeseman <XimangoUSA@AOL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:58 am
Subject: AD 2007-23-15 UPDATE (6 Feb)
Owners and Mechanics,
We, as of this morning, have received the first 15 complete kits for Aeromot
Service Bulletin 200-20-102 needed to satisfy the FAA AD 2007-23-15. We
expect the next 10 in one week.
We will begin shipping this afternoon, via FedEx to those of you that are in
urgent need, and to everyone else as you require. Invoices will follow via
e-mail, with payment to be by check.
At this point, I have orders from 20 owners or mechanics, with the following
distribution:
URGENT:
SN 151 (Mary Ann)
SN 135 (John Lawton)
SN 123 (Rob Morgan)
SN 51 (71??) (Placerville Aviation)
SN 152 (Bruce Sidlinger/Security Aviation)
SN 106 (Mountainview Aeromotive)
SN (65) GaryKeefer/Gemco Aviation)
SN 156 (Ralph Ragland)
SN 59 (Dennis Guilfoyle)
SN 151 (Ted Hauser)
LATER IS OK:
SN ?? (Chris at Pacific Aerosport)
SN 124 (John Barker)
SN 96 (Horst Stratmann)
SN 130 (Holliday Obrecht)
SN 161 (Jim McCAnn)
SN 57 (Bing Manawadu)
SN 72 (Roland Martin)
SN 46 (Sam Mollett)
SN 131 (Hermann Fasel)
SN 134 (Doug Dellmore)
Please e-mail me ASAP with any updates needed, including urgency and
shipping addresses.
Regards,
Chuck
Ximango USA
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