Problem with UN Hangared Ximangos - Aug 2004

Main thing is under no circumstances keep in outside in hot temperatures
with a dark cover over it. The heat that will be created will be similar
to an oven and could lead to problems with the fiberglass.

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Date:         Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:35:25 -0400
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I live in Philadelphia, and am thinking of exposing the Ximango to
the elements -- unhangared.

Anybody leave their a/c outdoors? Advice?

thanks, Bruce
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Date:         Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:49:19 +0200
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Main thing is under no circumstances keep in outside in hot temperatures
with a dark cover over it. The heat that will be created will be similar
to an oven and could lead to problems with the glassfibre.

Also, if you have not had the recommendation yet from Ximango, can I
recommend everyone checks the airvents in the ailerons and the
elevators. I bought Ximango 200-090 which had spent 6 years in Ireland
and the UK. On bringing it to the French Alps where I live, and flying
in hot temperatures and high altitudes (in Ireland the weather and the
altitudes and surface pressures are much lower), the left elevator was
found to have developed a serious deformation. On checking the airvents,
we found they had not been drilled, thus the air-pressure could not
equalize. The airvents were also not drilled on the ailerons. They are
now!

Will Morris


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From: Ximango Owners Group [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
Behalf Of Bruce Schimmel
Sent: 23 August 2004 00:35
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Problems with UN-hangared Ximangos?


I live in Philadelphia, and am thinking of exposing the Ximango to the
elements -- unhangared.

Anybody leave their a/c outdoors? Advice?

thanks, Bruce
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Date:         Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:33:20 -0700
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Will,
Your information re the air vents in the elevator and other 'closed ' sections is valuable info. Are these vents normally drilled before shipping ximangoes?
John t

"will@mychalet" <will@MYCHALET.COM> wrote:
Main thing is under no circumstances keep in outside in hot temperatures
with a dark cover over it. The heat that will be created will be similar
to an oven and could lead to problems with the glassfibre.

Also, if you have not had the recommendation yet from Ximango, can I
recommend everyone checks the airvents in the ailerons and the
elevators. I bought Ximango 200-090 which had spent 6 years in Ireland
and the UK. On bringing it to the French Alps where I live, and flying
in hot temperatures and high altitudes (in Ireland the weather and the
altitudes and surface pressures are much lower), the left elevator was
found to have developed a serious deformation. On checking the airvents,
we found they had not been drilled, thus the air-pressure could not
equalize. The airvents were also not drilled on the ailerons. They are
now!

Will Morris


-----Original Message-----
From: Ximango Owners Group [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
Behalf Of Bruce Schimmel
Sent: 23 August 2004 00:35
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Problems with UN-hangared Ximangos?


I live in Philadelphia, and am thinking of exposing the Ximango to the
elements -- unhangared.

Anybody leave their a/c outdoors? Advice?

thanks, Bruce


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Date:         Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:37:18 +0200
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Absolutely they should be. The production of the elevator takes place at
a specific pressure and temperature in Brazil, if there is no proper
airvent, you get an uneven pressure inside of the elevator or aileron
when the elevator is placed at a different altitude and temperature
which can lead to a deformation. I am not sure what went wrong in the
checking system with my plane, but it was missed, and only became
apparent after flights here in the Alps in very high temperatures. I
have a jpeg image which shows where they should all be located on the
plane, and was sent to me by Ximango Brazil. Let me know if you want me
to send it to you (cannot be sent to the user list)

By the way, any US Ximango owners who find themselves in the Alps, be
sure to contact me if they want to fly.

Will Morris


-----Original Message-----
From: Ximango Owners Group [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
Behalf Of john adbon
Sent: 24 August 2004 01:33
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: Problems with UN-hangared Ximangos?


Will,
Your information re the air vents in the elevator and other 'closed '
sections is valuable info. Are these vents normally drilled before
shipping ximangoes? John t

"will@mychalet" <will@MYCHALET.COM> wrote:
Main thing is under no circumstances keep in outside in hot temperatures
with a dark cover over it. The heat that will be created will be similar
to an oven and could lead to problems with the glassfibre.

Also, if you have not had the recommendation yet from Ximango, can I
recommend everyone checks the airvents in the ailerons and the
elevators. I bought Ximango 200-090 which had spent 6 years in Ireland
and the UK. On bringing it to the French Alps where I live, and flying
in hot temperatures and high altitudes (in Ireland the weather and the
altitudes and surface pressures are much lower), the left elevator was
found to have developed a serious deformation. On checking the airvents,
we found they had not been drilled, thus the air-pressure could not
equalize. The airvents were also not drilled on the ailerons. They are
now!

Will Morris


-----Original Message-----
From: Ximango Owners Group [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
Behalf Of Bruce Schimmel
Sent: 23 August 2004 00:35
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Problems with UN-hangared Ximangos?


I live in Philadelphia, and am thinking of exposing the Ximango to the
elements -- unhangared.

Anybody leave their a/c outdoors? Advice?

thanks, Bruce


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Date:         Tue, 24 Aug 2004 04:52:11 -0400
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From:         Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Problems with UN-hangared Ximangos?
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Will,

Thanks for the info on the airvents. Here's how you -- or anyone --
can share a jpeg.

It's true, you can't upload images directly onto XOG, but you can
embed the URL of the file, pointing to the file's address on another
server.

If you don't have a server, I do. Please send the jpeg to me directly
(bruce@schimmel.com), and I will put the file on my server and
furnish the URL to everyone.

yrs, B



At 10:37 +0200 8/24/04, will@mychalet wrote:
>Absolutely they should be. The production of the elevator takes place at
>a specific pressure and temperature in Brazil, if there is no proper
>airvent, you get an uneven pressure inside of the elevator or aileron
>when the elevator is placed at a different altitude and temperature
>which can lead to a deformation. I am not sure what went wrong in the
>checking system with my plane, but it was missed, and only became
>apparent after flights here in the Alps in very high temperatures. I
>have a jpeg image which shows where they should all be located on the
>plane, and was sent to me by Ximango Brazil. Let me know if you want me
>to send it to you (cannot be sent to the user list)
>
>By the way, any US Ximango owners who find themselves in the Alps, be
>sure to contact me if they want to fly.
>
>Will Morris
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ximango Owners Group [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
>Behalf Of john adbon
>Sent: 24 August 2004 01:33
>To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: Re: Problems with UN-hangared Ximangos?
>
>
>Will,
>Your information re the air vents in the elevator and other 'closed '
>sections is valuable info. Are these vents normally drilled before
>shipping ximangoes? John t
>
>"will@mychalet" <will@MYCHALET.COM> wrote:
>Main thing is under no circumstances keep in outside in hot temperatures
>with a dark cover over it. The heat that will be created will be similar
>to an oven and could lead to problems with the glassfibre.
>
>Also, if you have not had the recommendation yet from Ximango, can I
>recommend everyone checks the airvents in the ailerons and the
>elevators. I bought Ximango 200-090 which had spent 6 years in Ireland
>and the UK. On bringing it to the French Alps where I live, and flying
>in hot temperatures and high altitudes (in Ireland the weather and the
>altitudes and surface pressures are much lower), the left elevator was
>found to have developed a serious deformation. On checking the airvents,
>we found they had not been drilled, thus the air-pressure could not
>equalize. The airvents were also not drilled on the ailerons. They are
>now!
>
>Will Morris
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ximango Owners Group [mailto:XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On
>Behalf Of Bruce Schimmel
>Sent: 23 August 2004 00:35
>To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: Problems with UN-hangared Ximangos?
>
>
>I live in Philadelphia, and am thinking of exposing the Ximango to the
>elements -- unhangared.
>
>Anybody leave their a/c outdoors? Advice?
>
>thanks, Bruce
>
>