Rotax AD's - Mar 2009

The "no AD's" comment (from whatever Rotax person said it) is WRONG! =C2=A0I=
n any case, your =C2=A0A&P/IA needs to search the FAA data base at each annual

and verify that any applicable AD's are satisfied, by engine serial number.

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Date:         Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:33:35 -0400
Reply-To:     "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
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From:         Chuck Cheeseman <ximangousa@AOL.COM>
Subject:      ROTAX AD's
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Manny,=C2=A0



The "no AD's" comment (from whatever Rotax person said it) is WRONG! =C2=A0I=
n any case, your =C2=A0A&P/IA needs to search the FAA data base at each annu=
al and verify that any applicable AD's are satisfied, by engine serial numbe=
r. The most prevalent of these is the series of bulletins about pressurizing=
 the oil system.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sliwa <steve.sliwa@MAC.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: URL for Aeromot Ad's







Manny=C2=A0
=C2=A0

On our community website we list 6 Rotax ADs that have application to Ximang=
os.  I am not up on the versions of models for each, but I note that the fol=
lowing 912's have the following ADs against them:=C2=A0
=C2=A0

912F2, 912F3 - 4 ADs=C2=A0

912F4 - 5 ADs=C2=A0

912S2, 912S3, 912S4 - 3 ADs=C2=A0
=C2=A0

Most of the ADs are old and that might be the reason for the comment at Rota=
x school.=C2=A0
=C2=A0

Steve=C2=A0
=C2=A0

On our website there is a link=C2=A0

On Mar 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Manny Sousa wrote:=C2=A0
=C2=A0

> applicable AD's for the Ximango and Rotax engine=C2=A0

> We were told at the Rotax school last month that "there are no AD's > on t=
he Rotax 912"!! Manny=C2=A0



=20
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Date:         Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:41:29 -0400
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From:         Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: ROTAX AD's
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chuck, having current material available *before* inspection is 
important to me. i've got to martial the the materiel for my a&p so 
we can get through an inspection in a reasonable time framework.
On Mar 8, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Chuck Cheeseman wrote:

Manny,



The "no AD's" comment (from whatever Rotax person said it) is WRONG!  
In any case, your  A&P/IA needs to search the FAA data base at each 
annual and verify that any applicable AD's are satisfied, by engine 
serial number. The most prevalent of these is the series of bulletins 
about pressurizing the oil system.



Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sliwa <steve.sliwa@MAC.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: URL for Aeromot Ad's







Manny


On our community website we list 6 Rotax ADs that have application to 
Ximangos.  I am not up on the versions of models for each, but I note 
that the following 912's have the following ADs against them:


912F2, 912F3 - 4 ADs

912F4 - 5 ADs

912S2, 912S3, 912S4 - 3 ADs


Most of the ADs are old and that might be the reason for the comment 
at Rotax school.


Steve


On our website there is a link

On Mar 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Manny Sousa wrote:


> applicable AD's for the Ximango and Rotax engine

> We were told at the Rotax school last month that "there are no AD's 
> > on the Rotax 912"!! Manny
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Date:         Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:01:07 -0400
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From:         Manny Sousa <mannysfl@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: ROTAX AD's
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HERE IS DEAN VOGEL'S RESPONSE...He is the ROTAX school instructor I referred=
 to.

The lesson (for me at least) is that the best source for ROTAX info is their=
 Service Bulletins.=C2=A0

Cheers,
Manny=C2=A0

(the underlining below is mine)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Manny,

Chuck is correct.=C2=A0 I looked it up.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve never seen anythi=
ng under Rotax, but since Chuck was so insistent I thought maybe there was a=
nother name I should be looking under.=C2=A0 Sure enough there they were und=
er =E2=80=9CBombardier-Rotax=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 all 6 of them.

They apply only to the Part 33 Certified versions of the engines, and they a=
re all FAA republishings of Rotax Service Bulletins, most of them years old=20=
by the time the AD came out =E2=80=93 in one case 4 years afterward.

I assume the engine in your Xiamango is a 912S3 =E2=80=93 in which case ther=
e are only three ADs that are listed.=C2=A0 I also assume that your engine i=
s young enough that the ADs that came out in 2002 do not apply.=C2=A0 The AD=
 that came out in 2005 was based upon SB-912-036 and SB-912-040.=C2=A0 SB- -=
040 was issued in 2003 and probably doesn=E2=80=99t apply to your engine sin=
ce you have a new enough engine that it would have the new dipstick (we talk=
ed about that in class).=C2=A0 SB- -036 was issued in 2002 and was incorpora=
ted by reference in the 2005 AD.=C2=A0 The problem with that is SB-912-036 w=
as canceled in 2007.=C2=A0 So you couldn=E2=80=99t find the service bulletin=
 if you tried to co
mply with the AD.=C2=A0 The pertinent information has been incorporated in S=
ervice Instruction SI-912-018 (and we did this in class).

Discussions are currently on-going with Rotax on the efficacy of the pressur=
e purge procedure.=C2=A0 Field experience is beginning to show that the proc=
edure doesn=E2=80=99t do such a good job of venting the lifters.=C2=A0 The i=
nspection portion of the instruction is important though, as it=E2=80=99s th=
e only way to tell if you have a collapsed lifter.

If all the above assumptions are correct, you effectively have no ADs on you=
r engine.=C2=A0 If you have information that is contrary to my assumptions,=20=
let me know and we can detail what is effective for your engine.

Thanks for the feedback,

Dean

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: ROTAX AD's


chuck, having current material available *before* inspection is important to=
 me. i've got to martial the the materiel for my a&p so we can get through a=
n inspection in a reasonable time framework.=C2=A0
On Mar 8, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Chuck Cheeseman wrote:=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Manny,=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
The "no AD's" comment (from whatever Rotax person said it) is WRONG! In any=20=
case, your A&P/IA needs to search the FAA data base at each annual and verif=
y that any applicable AD's are satisfied, by engine serial number. The most=20=
prevalent of these is the series of bullet
ins about pressurizing the oil system.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Chuck=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----=C2=A0
From: Steve Sliwa <steve.sliwa@MAC.COM>=C2=A0
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM=C2=A0
Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:02 pm=C2=A0
Subject: Re: URL for Aeromot Ad's=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Manny=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On our community website we list 6 Rotax ADs that have application to Ximang=
os. I am not up on the versions of models for each, but I note that the foll=
owing 912's have the following ADs against them:=C2=A0
=C2=A0
912F2, 912F3 - 4 ADs=C2=A0
=C2=A0
912F4 - 5 ADs=C2=A0
=C2=A0
912S2, 912S3, 912S4 - 3 ADs=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Most of the ADs are old and that might be the reason for the comment at Rota=
x school.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Steve=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On our website there is a link=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Mar 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Manny Sousa wrote:=C2=A0
=C2=A0
> applicable AD's for the Ximango and Rotax engine=C2=A0
=C2=A0
> We were told at the Rotax school last month that "there are no AD's > > on=
 the Rotax 912"!! Manny=C2=A0
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Date:         Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:14:37 -0400
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Sender:       "Ximango Owners Group (XOG)" <XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
From:         Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: ROTAX AD's
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manny, i am so thankful for your research. would you mind if I =20
transferred with to the new XOG site, xog.memberlodge.org ? i'd like =20
to encourage everyone to move to the new site, which I think will =20
make this community much for efficient, effective, and fun. yrs, B
On Mar 9, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Manny Sousa wrote:

HERE IS DEAN VOGEL'S RESPONSE...He is the ROTAX school instructor I =20
referred to.

The lesson (for me at least) is that the best source for ROTAX info =20
is their Service Bulletins.

Cheers,
Manny

(the underlining below is mine)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Manny,

Chuck is correct.  I looked it up.  I=92ve never seen anything under =20
Rotax, but since Chuck was so insistent I thought maybe there was =20
another name I should be looking under.  Sure enough there they were =20
under =93Bombardier-Rotax=94 =96 all 6 of them.

They apply only to the Part 33 Certified versions of the engines, and =20=

they are all FAA republishings of Rotax Service Bulletins, most of =20
them years old by the time the AD came out =96 in one case 4 years =20
afterward.

I assume the engine in your Xiamango is a 912S3 =96 in which case there =20=

are only three ADs that are listed.  I also assume that your engine =20
is young enough that the ADs that came out in 2002 do not apply.  The =20=

AD that came out in 2005 was based upon SB-912-036 and SB-912-040.  =20
SB- -040 was issued in 2003 and probably doesn=92t apply to your engine =20=

since you have a new enough engine that it would have the new =20
dipstick (we talked about that in class).  SB- -036 was issued in =20
2002 and was incorporated by reference in the 2005 AD.  The problem =20
with that is SB-912-036 was canceled in 2007.  So you couldn=92t find =20=

the service bulletin if you tried to co
mply with the AD.  The pertinent information has been incorporated in =20=

Service Instruction SI-912-018 (and we did this in class).

Discussions are currently on-going with Rotax on the efficacy of the =20
pressure purge procedure.  Field experience is beginning to show that =20=

the procedure doesn=92t do such a good job of venting the lifters.  The =20=

inspection portion of the instruction is important though, as it=92s =20
the only way to tell if you have a collapsed lifter.

If all the above assumptions are correct, you effectively have no ADs =20=

on your engine.  If you have information that is contrary to my =20
assumptions, let me know and we can detail what is effective for your =20=

engine.

Thanks for the feedback,

Dean

------------------------------------------------------------------------=20=

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schimmel <bruce@SCHIMMEL.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: ROTAX AD's


chuck, having current material available *before* inspection is =20
important to me. i've got to martial the the materiel for my a&p so =20
we can get through an inspection in a reasonable time framework.
On Mar 8, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Chuck Cheeseman wrote:

Manny,


The "no AD's" comment (from whatever Rotax person said it) is WRONG! =20
In any case, your A&P/IA needs to search the FAA data base at each =20
annual and verify that any applicable AD's are satisfied, by engine =20
serial number. The most prevalent of these is the series of bullet
ins about pressurizing the oil system.


Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sliwa <steve.sliwa@MAC.COM>
To: XIMANGO@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: URL for Aeromot Ad's




Manny

On our community website we list 6 Rotax ADs that have application to =20=

Ximangos. I am not up on the versions of models for each, but I note =20
that the following 912's have the following ADs against them:

912F2, 912F3 - 4 ADs

912F4 - 5 ADs

912S2, 912S3, 912S4 - 3 ADs

Most of the ADs are old and that might be the reason for the comment =20
at Rotax school.

Steve

On our website there is a link

On Mar 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Manny Sousa wrote:

> applicable AD's for the Ximango and Rotax engine

> We were told at the Rotax school last month that "there are no AD's =20=

> > > on the Rotax 912"!! Manny
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Date:         Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:19:13 -0400
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As of this morning, some 38 of the 48 folks on the old XOG ListServ 
have made the switch.  If you haven't experienced the forums, the 
pictures and the interactive map, you've got a pleasant surprise for 
you at: xog.memberlodge.org .

C'mon over, today. yrs, Bruce